DONALD SUTHERLAND.

THAT'S 9:00 SATURDAY NIGHT ON THE OETA MOVIE CLUB.

LIVE PERFORMANCES.

LEGENDARY ARTIST.

WATCH AUSTIN CITY LIMITS SATURDAY EVENINGS AT 11.

TRIBAL NATIONS ARE INCREASING THEIR POLITICAL POWER IN OKLAHOMA AND ACROSS THE NATION.

WE'VE GOT RACES IN THE CONGRESS.

WE'VE GOT RACES IN OUR LOCAL OFFICES.

IT'S REALLY GOOD.

I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE THING THAT WE NEED IN INDIAN COUNTRY IS CIVIC ACTIVISM.

A RECAP OF OETA THURSDAY NIGHT DEBATE BETWEEN THE CANDIDATES FOR INSURANCE COMMISSIONER.

IT'S NICE AND REFRESHING TO HAVE NICE CIVIL DISCOURSE AND DEBATE AND ALWAYS APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

I THINK IT'S VALUABLE FOR THE VOTERS.

IT'S ENJOYABLE TO DISAGREE ON POLICY AND IDEAS, AND LET PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO APPROACH THINGS WITHOUT ATTACKING EACH OTHER.

RESULTS OF A CLEMENCY HEARING FOR A DECORATED AIR FORCE VETERAN ON OKLAHOMA'S DEATH ROW.

EVERY VETERAN OF THIS GREAT NATION DESERVES RESPECT AND GRATITUDE FOR THEIR SERVICE.

BUT MILITARY SERVICE IS NOT A DEFENSE FOR MURDER.

WHY ARE SO MANY OF OKLAHOMA'S MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES STRUGGLING TO STAY AFLOAT?

WE WERE OBVIOUSLY OVERSATURATED THE MARKET SEVERAL THOUSAND TIMES OVER.

WHEN YOU COMPARE US TO OTHER STATES, IT'S NOT EVEN COMPARABLE.

PRESTIGIOUS NATIONAL RECOGNITION FOR OKLAHOMA'S VERY FIRST CHARTER SCHOOL.

AT FIRST I WAS SHOCKED AND SURPRISED, AND THEN MY SECOND THOUGHT WAS, WE DESERVE IT.

AND I'M NOT SURPRISED BECAUSE WE REALLY DO A LOT OF WORK.

PLUS, AN IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION WITH MODERATOR SUNNY LEE ON FEDERAL TERM LIMITS FOR OKLAHOMA LAWMAKERS.

NEXT ON THE OKLAHOMA NEWS REPORT.

HELLO, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE OKLAHOMA NEWS REPORT.

I'M RICH LENZ NATIONAL INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DAY WAS CELEBRATED IN OKLAHOMA CITY AND TULSA ON MONDAY, AND TRIBAL LEADERS THROUGHOUT AMERICA CERTAINLY HAD A GOOD REASON TO CELEBRATE.

THIS YEAR, A RECORD NUMBER OF NATIVE AMERICAN CANDIDATES WILL APPEAR ON BALLOTS LEADING UP TO THE NOVEMBER 3RD ELECTION.

AROUND 350 IN ALL NATIONWIDE.

NOW, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF THE TRIBES GROWING INFLUENCE AND POWER?

HERE'S NOAH MACK.

EVERYBODY DANCE.

INTERTRIBAL.

INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DAY CELEBRATES THE RICH HISTORY AND CULTURE OF AMERICA'S FIRST PEOPLES.

OKLAHOMA CITY IS CELEBRATING ITS FIRST INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DAY SINCE THE CITY COUNCIL ENSHRINED IT AS AN OFFICIAL HOLIDAY.

NOW IT WILL BE INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DAY FOREVER EVERY OCTOBER HERE IN OKLAHOMA CITY.

TULSA IS CELEBRATING ITS 10TH ANNUAL NATIVE AMERICANS DAY.

THE HOLIDAY WAS FIRST PROPOSED BACK IN 1977 DURING THE INTERNATIONAL WORLD CONFERENCE ON DISCRIMINATION AGAINST INDIGENOUS POPULATIONS IN THE AMERICAS, TO SERVE AS A FOIL FOR COLUMBUS DAY.

LONG BEFORE EUROPEANS GOT LOST AND THOUGHT THEY'D DISCOVERED SOMETHING, NATIVE PEOPLES WERE MANAGING THEIR OWN AFFAIRS AND GOVERNING THEMSELVES JUST FINE ON THIS CONTINENT.

WE WERE DOING IT.

CHIEF CHUCK HOSKIN, JR.

OF THE CHEROKEE NATION IS ENCOURAGED BY THIS YEAR'S RECORD NUMBER OF NATIVE CANDIDATES RUNNING FOR PUBLIC OFFICE.

WE'VE GOT RACES IN THE CONGRESS.

WE'VE GOT RACES IN LOCAL OFFICES.

IT'S REALLY GOOD.

I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE THING THAT WE NEED IN INDIAN COUNTRY IS CIVIC ACTIVISM.

355 NATIVE AND INDIGENOUS CANDIDATES HAVE RUN OR ARE RUNNING FOR PUBLIC OFFICE THIS YEAR.

THAT'S ACCORDING TO THE NONPROFIT ADVANCE NATIVE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP AND NEWS PLATFORM INDIAN COUNTRY TODAY.

THIS IS THE MOST THEY HAVE EVER RECORDED.

WELL, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF MOMENTUM RIGHT NOW.

PART OF IT IS FUELED BY THE REALLY CONSEQUENTIAL DECISION IN MCGIRT.

THINGS I THINK ARE SETTLING IN NOW IN TERMS OF RELATIONSHIPS IN PARTICULAR.

SO WHEN YOU'VE GOT MAYOR OF THE CITY OF TULSA, THAT'S VERY SUPPORTIVE.

YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS WHO UNDERSTAND MCGIRT IS THE LAW OF THE LAND.

LET'S MAKE IT WORK.

BOTH REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES FOR GOVERNOR VOW TO COLLABORATE WITH OKLAHOMA'S TRIBAL NATIONS.

THEY PROVIDE US AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO PURSUE JOB GROWTH, EDUCATION IMPROVEMENTS, HEALTH CARE ACCESS THAT OTHER STATES WISH THEY HAD.

AS GOVERNOR, I WILL APPOINT A SECRETARY OF NATIVE AMERICAN AFFAIRS, AND I WILL WORK WITH THE LEGISLATURE TO MAKE THAT POSITION PERMANENT AND NO LONGER AN OPTION FOR THE GOVERNOR.

A PIVOT FROM INCUMBENT GOVERNOR KEVIN STITT?

S REFUSAL TO ACCEPT THE MCGIRT RULING.

NO ONE RUNNING FOR STATE OFFICE, NOT A SINGLE ONE RAN ON THE PLATFORM THAT I'M THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THE DIVISIVENESS OF GOVERNOR KEVIN STITT, THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO ATTACK THE TRIBES.

NO ONE RAN ON THAT BASIS BECAUSE NO ONE'S INTERESTED IN THAT EXCEPT PERHAPS THE CURRENT GOVERNOR.

HOSKIN ATTRIBUTES MUCH OF THIS RISING POLITICAL CAPITAL NOT ONLY TO THE MCGIRT DECISION, BUT THE TRIBE'S PROVEN ECONOMIC RELIABILITY.

DIFFERENT TRIBES HAVE MEASURED IT IN THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF JOBS COLLECTIVELY AMONG THE TRIBES AND THEN DOING, I THINK, A REALLY GOOD JOB IN AREAS THAT PEOPLE CARE ABOUT HEALTH CARE IN PARTICULAR.

AND SO I THINK ALL OF THAT IS HELPING US HIT A STRIDE, THE LIKES OF WHICH WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN A LONG TIME.

OKLAHOMA CITY MAYOR DAVID HOLT, A MEMBER OF THE OSAGE NATION, SEES THE BUMP IN NATIVE CANDIDATES AS A NECESSITY.

I THINK THAT IT'S BROUGHT A GREAT PERSPECTIVE TO OFFICE, TO HAVE THE CITY'S FIRST NATIVE AMERICAN MAYOR.

AND WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS OF SOME OF OUR LARGEST NATIONS SERVING IN MULTIPLE ROLES RIGHT NOW AND ARE ALREADY LIKELY TO WIN VICTORY IN SOME OF THE RACES COMING UP THIS FALL.

SO I THINK IT MAKES ALL THE SENSE IN THE WORLD.

I MEAN, AGAIN, THIS IS A STATE WITH DEEP TIES TO NATIVE AMERICAN HISTORY AND CULTURE, AND IT IS ONLY FITTING THAT WE ARE WELL REPRESENTED AMONG THE STATE'S ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND I'M SURE THAT WILL CONTINUE.

STATE REPRESENTATIVE AMANDA CLINTON OF TULSA IS A MEMBER OF THE CHEROKEE NATION AND HOPES THE NOVEMBER ELECTION CAN SERVE AS AN IMPORTANT TURNING POINT.

HAVING SPENT MORE THAN 20 YEARS WORKING IN INDIAN COUNTRY.

I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT TRIBAL ISSUES ARE BIPARTISAN.

AND SO IT'S JUST SO IMPORTANT THAT WE FIND WAYS THAT OUR OUR STATE AND OUR TRIBES WORK TOGETHER FOR THE BETTERMENT OF EVERYONE.

YES, WE'RE ALL OKLAHOMANS, BUT YES, WE ALSO HAVE OUR DISTINCT LANGUAGES, HISTORIES, AND CULTURES AND CULTURE FOR INDIAN COUNTRY IS AS IMPORTANT AS PERMEATING POLITICAL REPRESENTATION, ESPECIALLY FOR NATIVE YOUTH.

CHEROKEE CITIZEN DANNY MCCARTER MAKING THAT CULTURE INTERACTIVE.

WE WE PASSED THAT ON BECAUSE IT GIVES OUR OUR CHILDREN A FEELING OF BELONGING.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, CHEROKEE GAMES.

THESE GAMES HAVE BEEN PLAYED FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS.

SO IT'S REALLY A CONNECTION THAT THESE KIDS HAVE.

MEANWHILE, REPRESENTATIVE CLINTON IS ACTIVELY ENCOURAGING YOUNG PEOPLE TO BROADEN THEIR POLITICAL HORIZONS.

I TALKED TO OUR NATIVE YOUTH LEADERS OFTEN, AND SO MANY OF THEM.

THEY WANT TO RUN FOR TRIBAL COUNCIL.

THEY WANT TO RUN FOR CHIEF OR GOVERNOR OF THEIR TRIBE.

AND I TELL THEM, YOU KNOW WHAT?

THAT'S GREAT, AND I HOPE YOU DO THAT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.

THERE'S ALSO A PLACE FOR YOU IN STATE GOVERNMENT.

YOU KNOW, OUR TRIBES ARE DOING GREAT.

YOU KNOW, OUR STATE COULD USE SOME HELP.

SO I HOPE THESE YOUNG PEOPLE, MANY OF THEM, WILL FOCUS THEIR THEIR AMBITIONS ON TRYING TO MAKE OUR STATE BETTER.

AS MANY NEW POLITICAL HOPEFULS SEEK PUBLIC OFFICES, ONE SENIOR CHEROKEE'S TERM IS COMING TO A CLOSE.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO SERVE AS THE CHIEF OF THE CHEROKEE NATION.

THIS IS THE LAST TIME I WILL ADDRESS YOU AS THE CHIEF OF THE CHEROKEE NATION.

TERM LIMITS MEANS THAT I WILL LEAVE OFFICE IN LESS THAN A YEAR.

BUT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, TULSA WILL ALWAYS BE A CITY THAT CARES ABOUT NATIVE PEOPLES.

AND I'LL ALWAYS FEEL AT HOME HERE.

AND I'LL SEE YOU HERE NEXT YEAR.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

WHAT?

OH.

NOAH MACK REPORTING THERE NOW.

RIGHT NOW, OKLAHOMA HAS THE MOST NATIVE AMERICANS SERVING IN ANY STATE LEGISLATURE IN THE COUNTRY AND THE ONLY NATIVE STATE GOVERNOR.

WE ALSO CLAIM TWO OUT OF THE THREE NATIVE AMERICAN CITIZENS SERVING IN CONGRESS AND IN OKLAHOMA.

CHEROKEE CITIZEN SERVES IN THE PRESIDENT'S CABINET.

ON THURSDAY NIGHT, OETA BROADCAST A LIVE HALF HOUR DEBATE WITH THE TWO CANDIDATES FOR INSURANCE COMMISSIONER, REPUBLICAN BOB SULLIVAN AND DEMOCRAT CRAIG MCINTYRE.

IT WAS A CORDIAL AND INFORMATIVE EXCHANGE OF IDEAS MODERATED BY MYSELF AND OUR EXECUTIVE PRODUCER, JASON DOYLE.

HERE'S WHAT THE CANDIDATES HAD TO SAY WHEN WE ASKED HOW THEY WOULD APPROACH RUNNING THE INSURANCE COMMISSION, AND THEN AFTERWARDS WE ASKED THEM HOW THEY THOUGHT THEY PERFORMED THROUGHOUT THE DEBATE.

WHAT ARE THE SHARPEST DIFFERENCES BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR OPPONENT AND HOW YOU WOULD OPERATE THE OKLAHOMA INSURANCE COMMISSION?

WELL, CLEARLY IT'S NOT OUR HAIRCUT, BUT SO I WOULD SAY THE SHARPEST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US FUNDAMENTALLY COMES DOWN TO A BELIEF OF WHAT A REGULATOR IS SUPPOSED TO DO.

I BELIEVE IN FAIR AND STRONG REGULATION.

WE WANT INSURANCE COMPANIES TO COME INTO OUR STATE WHO ARE FAIR, THEY'RE TRANSPARENT, AND THEY'RE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE.

AND IF THEY DON'T WANT TO BE THAT, WE DON'T NEED THEM.

WE NEED PARTNERS IN THIS STATE.

WE DON'T NEED PREDATORS.

I CERTAINLY BELIEVE, AS MR.

MCINTYRE NOTED, THAT AN INCREASE IN REGULATION IS HEALTHY AND REQUIRED FOR US TO HAVE A CLEAR AND SUSTAINABLE PATH FORWARD.

BUT I DO BELIEVE IN THE FREE MARKET.

I DO BELIEVE THAT INCREASED COMPETITION WILL YIELD MORE RESULTS AND MORE RESULTS FOR THE LONG TERM IN OKLAHOMA, AND I BELIEVE THAT TO MY CORE, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENCES AND APPROACHES IN TERMS OF THE OPTIONS THAT ARE PROVIDED TO CITIZENS IN THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA.

I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS REALLY COME OUT TONIGHT.

I THINK MY EXPERIENCE, BOTH AS AN EXECUTIVE AND SOMEBODY WHO WORKS INSIDE THE WORLD WITH TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE, KIND OF CAME OUT.

MR.

SULLIVAN'S EXPERIENCE AS AN AGENT OR A SALESMAN CAME OUT, AND THE FACT THAT HE WANTS TO DEPLOY A BUNCH OF NEW PRODUCTS THAT CAN HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE ISSUES.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF UP TO THE VOTERS TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY WANT TO STICK WITH THE PLAN THAT WE'VE BEEN USING FOR 16 YEARS AND WHERE IT GOT US, OR IF WE WANT TO MOVE IN A NEW DIRECTION.

I HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESPECT FOR ANYBODY WILLING TO THROW THEIR HAT IN THE RING.

HE CERTAINLY HAD AN EASIER GO OF IT WITHOUT A PRIMARY OPPONENT AS AS I HAD FOUR AND THEN A RUNOFF.

BUT I'M ALWAYS, ALWAYS HONORED TO TAKE PART IN THIS, THIS PROCESS AND WHERE WE WE ELECT THE INSURANCE COMMISSIONER IN THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA.

AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AND VITAL, BECAUSE THAT PERSON IS GOING TO ANSWER TO EVERY CITIZEN IN THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA.

THE ENTIRE DEBATE IS NOW AVAILABLE ON OUR YOUTUBE PAGE.

ON NOVEMBER 3RD, ONE OF THESE MEN WILL BE ELECTED TO REPLACE GLEN MULREADY.

OKLAHOMA VOTERS ADOPTED 12 YEAR TERM LIMITS FOR ALL LEGISLATORS WHEN THEY PASSED STATE QUESTION 632 IN 1990.

IT'S BEEN A TOUGHER GO AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, WHERE LAWMAKERS HAVE AVOIDED VOTING ON LIMITS IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE, EVEN THOUGH THE PUBLIC OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORTS THEM.

IN THIS WEEK'S UPCOMING IN-DEPTH SEGMENT, MODERATOR SUNNY LEE DISCUSSES THE PROS AND CONS OF PASSING LEGISLATION IMPACTING OKLAHOMA'S DELEGATION IN WASHINGTON, D.C.

HERE'S A PREVIEW.

BECAUSE OF TERM LIMITS, STATE LEGISLATORS HAVE BECOME MORE POLARIZED.

THEY'RE LESS LIKELY TO LISTEN TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS, AND THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO LISTEN TO LOBBYISTS, THE PEOPLE WHO WIN IF THERE ARE TERM LIMITS, ARE ACTUALLY SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS AND MORE PARTIZAN POLITICS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THEY LOSE.

I VOTED FOR IT IN THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA FOR FOR STATE LEGISLATORS.

TODAY, I'VE GOT A DIFFERENT OPINION ABOUT THAT.

NOT FOR MYSELF TO HAVE RUN MORE.

I'M DONE, I WAS DONE.

I HAVE NO DESIRE TO RUN FOR ANYTHING ELSE.

BUT 12 YEARS IS TOO SHORT.

YOU LOSE ALL OF YOUR INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE.

YES, YOU MAY HAVE LESS INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT DC, THEY HAVE MORE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE THEY DO TODAY THAN THEY EVER HAVE AT ANY POINT IN HISTORY.

AND WHAT ARE THEY USING IT FOR?

THEY'RE USING IT TO LINE THEIR POCKETS.

THEY'RE USING IT TO, YOU KNOW, PUSH OFF RESPONSIBILITY TO THE EXECUTIVE SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER FOR THINGS COMING UP IN JUST A FEW MINUTES.

SUNNY LEE'S FIRST IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION SINCE JOINING OETA, SHE BRINGS A WEALTH OF EXPERIENCE AND PERSONALITY TO OUR NEWS TEAM, AND WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE HER, SO STAY TUNED FOR THAT CLEMENCY HEARING FOR A MAN SCHEDULED TO BE EXECUTED ON NOVEMBER 12TH, THE DAY AFTER VETERANS DAY WAS HELD IN OKLAHOMA CITY ON WEDNESDAY.

NOW, WHAT MAKES THIS CASE DIFFERENT IS THE DEATH ROW INMATE IS A DECORATED AIR FORCE VETERAN.

JASON DOYLE ATTENDED THE HEARING AND JOINS US NOW.

JASON RICH, AFTER TWO HOURS OF DELIBERATION, THE PARDON AND PAROLE BOARD MADE THE 3 TO 2 DECISION DENYING CLEMENCY RECOMMENDATION.

JAMES PAUL POTTS TEAM AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE HAD 40 MINUTES EACH WITH 20 MINUTES FOR PIVOT TO PLEA THEIR CASES TO THE BOARD.

THE OCTOBER MEETING OF THE OKLAHOMA PARDON AND PAROLE BOARD IS BEING RECONVENED FOR THE PURPOSE OF HOLDING A CLEMENCY HEARING FOR JAMES CRAVAT.

IT WAS NEARLY 25 YEARS AGO WHEN JAMES PAVATT AND BRENDA ANDREW WERE ARRESTED AND FOUND GUILTY OF MURDERING BRENDA'S HUSBAND, ROB ANDREW, ON WEDNESDAY MORNING, PARVATI'S LEGAL TEAM TRIED TO CONVINCE THE PARDON AND PAROLE BOARD THAT HE DID NOT DESERVE THE CAPITAL SENTENCE, AND BRENDA ANDREW HAD SEPARATE TRIALS IN 2003 AND 2004, BOTH CONVICTED, BOTH SENTENCED TO DEATH.

PAUL POTTS ATTORNEY AT THE CLEMENCY HEARING, HUNTER LABOVITZ, CLAIMED PARVATI'S MILITARY RECORD WAS NOT HIGHLIGHTED WHILE HE WAS FACING A JURY AND THEN SENTENCED BY AN OKLAHOMA COUNTY JUDGE.

THIS IS ALSO AN EXCEPTIONAL CASE FOR CLEMENCY BECAUSE OF WHO JIM IS, HIS LIFETIME OF SERVICE, ESPECIALLY HIS DECORATED SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY AS A MASTER SERGEANT IN THE AIR FORCE FOR ALMOST 22 YEARS, AND AS A PRISON LAW LIBRARIAN AT THE OKLAHOMA STATE PRISON FOR THE LAST 18 YEARS WITH AN UNBLEMISHED RECORD.

TO PROVE HIS POINT, LABOVITZ HAD A FORMER COMMANDING OFFICER OF PAVATT DURING HIS SERVICE IN KOREA TO TESTIFY BEFORE THE OKLAHOMA PARDON AND PAROLE BOARD.

HE DISPLAYED COMPASSION, MATURE JUDGMENT, A LISTENING EAR AND, WHEN NEEDED, A PAT ON THE BACK.

TO MANY, HE WAS A MENTOR AND FATHER FIGURE WHOSE JUDGMENT THE TROOPS FREQUENTLY SOUGHT.

SIMILARLY, I FOUND MASTER SERGEANT PAVATT EXTREMELY PROFESSIONAL, MILD MANNERED, TRUTHFUL AND UNFLAPPABLE.

PAUL POTTS TEAM ALSO SUBMITTED LETTERS OF SUPPORT, FROM LEAVING NO ONE BEHIND AND VETERANS FOR PEACE ASKING FOR CLEMENCY RECOMMENDATION.

THE VETERANS FOR PEACE LETTER TRIES TO MAKE THE POINT THAT AN EXECUTION IS PERMANENT, WHEN THERE ARE STILL POSSIBLE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO REALLY PULLED THE TRIGGER IN NOVEMBER 2001, SAYING IN PART, CAPITAL PUNISHMENT PERMITS NO CORRECTION.

ONCE CARRIED OUT, WHERE SUBSTANTIAL QUESTIONS REMAIN CONCERNING THE FAIRNESS AND RELIABILITY OF THE CASE, JUSTICE DEMANDS CAUTION RATHER THAN AN IRREVERSIBLE ACT OF STATE VIOLENCE.

CLEMENCY DOES NOT ERASE THE CRIME, DIMINISHED THE SUFFERING OF VICTIMS OR REQUIRE ANYONE TO DECLARE MR.

PAVATT NOT GUILTY.

IT SIMPLY ENSURES THAT THE STATE DOES NOT TAKE A LIFE WHILE MEANINGFUL DOUBTS REMAIN.

LABOVITZ TRIED TO DEMONSTRATE THOSE DOUBTS, SAYING THE PROSECUTORS AT THE TIME WERE AMBITIOUS TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON ON DEATH ROW.

THERE IS NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE THAT JIM PAVATT KILLED ROB ANDREW.

THERE'S NOT EVEN CREDIBLE EVIDENCE THAT JIM WAS AT THE CRIME SCENE FOR THAT ALONE.

HE SHOULD NOT BE EXECUTED.

EVEN IF YOU THINK HE IS GUILTY OF MURDER AS A MATTER OF LAW, JIM'S CONVICTION AND DEATH SENTENCE ARE THE RESULT OF A LEAD PROSECUTOR WHO SOUGHT ONLY TO WIN AT ALL COSTS.

TRUTH BE DAMNED.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE REPRESENTED THE STATE'S SIDE OF THE CASE.

AG GENTNER DRUMMOND STARTED WITH AN OPENING STATEMENT RECOGNIZING PAVATT DID SERVE IN THE MILITARY, BUT THAT DOESN'T ABSOLVE HIM.

EVERY VETERAN OF THIS GREAT NATION DESERVES RESPECT AND GRATITUDE FOR THEIR SERVICE.

BUT MILITARY SERVICE IS NOT A DEFENSE TO MURDER.

I'M NOT DENIGRATING SERVICE WHEN I SAY THAT HE DID NOT SEE COMBAT.

I'M JUST STATING A FACT THAT IS RELEVANT.

HE DOES NOT HAVE PTSD.

HE DID NOT KILL ROB ANDREW IN SOME SORT OF OVERREACTION TO A PERCEIVED THREAT OR A VIOLENT OUTBURST OF ANGER.

DRUMMOND ADDS THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT TRIAL SHOWS PAVATT PLANNED THE MURDER WITH ROB ANDREWS ESTRANGED WIFE.

HE PLANNED THIS MURDER COLDLY AND METHODICALLY.

IT'S UNUSUAL FOR A DEFENDANT TO SPEND WEEKS OR MONTHS PLANNING A MURDER.

IT IS UNHEARD OF FOR A DEFENDANT TO TRY TO COMMIT MURDER, FAIL AND THEN REGROUP AND FINISH THE JOB.

BUT THAT'S WHAT PAVATT DID.

DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL JENNIFER CRABB LAID OUT THE TIMELINE FOR THE BOARD, WHICH BEGAN SHORTLY AFTER PARVAT AND BRENDA ANDREW BEGAN AN AFFAIR IN THE SUMMER OF 2001.

ROB WAS SHOT AND KILLED BY TWO SHOTGUN BLASTS.

BRENDA ANDREW WAS SHOT IN THE ARM BY A 22 CALIBER BULLET IN AN EFFORT TO TRY TO THROW INVESTIGATORS OFF HER TRAIL.

THE TEAM'S CONTENTION THAT EVIDENCE SURROUNDING THE 22 CALIBER BULLET USED TO SHOOT BRENDA AND OTHERS DISCOVERED DURING THE INVESTIGATION WERE MISCONSTRUED BY THE PROSECUTION DURING THE TRIAL, CRABB SAYS THAT IS A MISCHARACTERIZATION OF HOW PROSECUTORS USE THE TESTIMONY OF A FIREARM EXAMINER.

BUT MR.

ROBERTSON TOLD THE JURY HE PERFORMED NO TESTING, BUT THAT THERE WERE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE BULLETS SUCH THAT IT WAS HIS OPINION.

THE BULLET THAT SHOT BRENDA WAS A 22 CCI STINGER, LIKE THE OTHER FOUR BULLETS AT ISSUE, ROB ANDREWS FAMILY CHOSE NOT TO ATTEND THIS WEEK.

CLEMENCY HEARING, ACCORDING TO CRABB.

WE WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ROB'S FAMILY IS NOT HERE TODAY.

THEY DO NOT WISH TO RELIVE AGAIN THE TERRIBLE PAIN OF ROB'S MURDER.

THEY ARE NOT OPPOSED TO JAMES EXECUTION, AND THEY TRUST THAT THE SYSTEM REACHED THE CORRECT RESULT.

ROB'S FAMILY WANTS THE LAW TO DECIDE PIVOT'S FATE.

PIVOT ALSO GOT A CHANCE TO PLEA HIS CASE VIA TELECONFERENCE FROM PRISON.

IT WAS NOT UNTIL MY TRIAL THAT I BEGAN TO SEE THE EXTENT TO WHICH I HAD BEEN MANIPULATED BY BRENDA.

I CAN SEE WHY THE JURY MADE.

BELIEVED THAT WE WERE BOTH INVOLVED IN ROB'S MURDER.

I CANNOT SPEAK FOR BRENDA.

I CANNOT EXPLAIN HER ACTIONS, BUT I SPEAK FOR MYSELF.

I AM NOT GUILTY OF ROB'S MURDER.

AND I AM NOT GUILTY OF SHOOTING BRENDA.

I KNOW THAT MY WORDS CANNOT UNDO THE PAIN OF ROB'S FAMILY HAS SUFFERED.

I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS APOLOGY CANNOT PROVIDE ALL THE ANSWERS THEY DESERVE.

PAUL POTTS ARGUMENTS WERE NOT ENOUGH TO GET A RECOMMENDATION OF CLEMENCY.

SUSAN SAVA.

YES.

ROBERT REAVIS YES.

JOHN MALLOY NO.

RICHARD MILLER NO.

KEVIN BUCHANAN NO.

CLEMENCY IS DENIED.

BARRING A LAST MINUTE REPRIEVE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE NOVEMBER 12TH EXECUTION DATE IS SET FOR PAVATT.

HIS ACCOMPLICE, BRENDA ANDREW, REMAINS THE ONLY WOMAN IN OKLAHOMAS DEATH ROW.

HER EXECUTION DATE HAS YET TO BE SET.

RICK.

JASON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

LAST WEEK, WE REPORTED ON MORE THAN A THOUSAND ABANDONED MARIJUANA FARMS IN OKLAHOMA.

AND WHAT'S BEING DONE TO CLEAN UP THOSE PROPERTIES.

WELL, THIS WEEK WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THE DECLINE IN THE NUMBER OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES IN OKLAHOMA.

MORE THAN A THOUSAND OF THEM HAVE CLOSED SINCE LEGALIZATION IN 2018.

STEVE SHAW JOINS US NOW FROM OUR NEWSROOM.

WITH THE IMPACT THAT IS HAVING ON TAX REVENUE AND SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS.

STEVE.

RICH, WHEN OKLAHOMA VOTERS APPROVED MEDICAL MARIJUANA IN 2018, IF YOU HAD 2500 BUCKS AND A PLAN, YOU HAD A GOOD SHOT AT STARTING A MEDICAL MARIJUANA BUSINESS.

WHAT HAPPENED, EXPERTS SAY, RESEMBLED A RUNAWAY TRAIN.

BUT A LOT HAS CHANGED.

HOW DOES THAT HELP YOU?

OH, DUDE, THIS IS 1000MG OF THC AND IT HELPS TREMENDOUSLY.

HE'S TALKING ABOUT CBD.

THIS IS A MAJOR JUMP ABOVE.

JOHN FRASER WENT STRAIGHT INTO THE U.S.

MARINE CORPS AFTER GRADUATING FROM CHICKASHA HIGH SCHOOL 56 YEARS AGO.

I'VE GOT A TENNIS ELBOW IN BOTH ELBOWS.

HOW'D YOU HURT YOURSELF?

WAS IT JUST LIFE?

YOU KNOW, MARINE CORPS?

I WAS A ROUGHNECK.

I WAS A CONCRETE FINISHER, YOU KNOW?

SO YOU GOT YOU.

THAT'S ONE OF THOSE DEALS.

I FOUND OUT THAT THEY DIDN'T PAY ME TO BE SMART.

THEY PAID ME TO BE MUSCLE.

AND I GOT PAID A LOT MORE MONEY TO BE MUSCLE THAN I DID TO BE SMART.

BUT IT CATCHES UP WITH YOU, DOESN'T IT?

BUT THEN IT EATS YOU UP IN THE END.

YOU KNOW?

FRAZIER BECAME ADDICTED TO OPIOIDS FOR MANY YEARS.

SO I TOOK SIX, TEN MILLIGRAMS HYDROCODONE A DAY.

THAT'S PROBABLY TOO MUCH LEGALLY.

AND THEN YOU GET THE ILLEGAL STUFF, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU START TAKING OXYCONTIN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GETTING HYDROCODONE'S ILLEGALLY STUFF.

DID YOU TRY OXYCONTIN?

OH YEAH.

I USED TO DO OXYCONTIN ALL THE TIME WHEN OKLAHOMA, OKLAHOMA LEGALIZED MEDICAL MARIJUANA.

I GOT SICK OF BEING SICK.

FRAZIER GOT OFF OPIOIDS AND EMBRACED THE GREEN.

NO MORE.

I GOT SICK OF THAT.

I CAN NOW HOLD A CONVERSATION.

I CAN NOW DO JUST ANYTHING I WANT TO YOU KNOW, NOW I DO HAVE.

IT'S NOT A PAINKILLER.

IT'S MORE OF A PAIN DISTRACTOR.

I USE TOPICALS, I USE A FLOWER, YOU KNOW, I USE DABS, I USE DIFFERENT FORMS OF IT.

AND IT'S JUST BECAUSE I USE IT TO SLEEP, YOU KNOW, JUST ALL DIFFERENT FORMS.

OKLAHOMA BUREAU OF NARCOTICS DIRECTOR DONNY ANDERSON SAYS WHEN HE JOINED THE OBN6 YEARS AGO, HE REALIZED RIGHT AWAY THE STATE HAD BIG TROUBLE WHEN HE LEARNED THAT A CONVICTED FELON WHO WAS IN PRISON ALSO STILL OWNED A MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARY.

THE PEOPLE SAY, WELL, HOW IN THE WORLD DID THE STATE AGENCIES EVEN ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN?

WELL, FIRST OFF, NO ONE KNEW IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE THIS KIND OF FRAUD INVOLVED IN IT.

AND YOU CAN'T SAY WE WE SHOULD HAVE FORCED SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE FORESEEN THAT.

BECAUSE JUST TO KNOW, BECAUSE YOU NEVER HAD IT BEFORE.

SO WHAT YOU SAW FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, PEOPLE LEARNING AS THEY WENT AS FAR AS AN EDIBLE, IT'S THE CLOSEST THING TO SMOKING.

THOSE THINGS ARE.

YEP.

ROBERT CUTHBERTSON IS A NORTH EDMOND DISPENSARY OWNER WHO'S BEEN IN OKLAHOMA'S LEGAL WEED BUSINESS SINCE THE BEGINNING.

MONETARY WISE, IT WAS GREAT.

WAS IT THE WILD, WILD WEST AT THE VERY BEGINNING?

YES, YES THERE WERE.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S $2,500 BARRIER TO ENTER THE SPACE AND THAT'S ALL IT TOOK.

THAT'S ALL IT TOOK.

AND I JUST DON'T THINK THERE WAS ENOUGH REGULATION TO KEEP SOME OF THE THE BAD ACTORS OUT.

OBE AND DIRECTOR ANDERSON SAYS AS OF LAST WEEK, OKLAHOMA HAD 1277 LEGAL MEDICAL MARIJUANA GROW OPERATIONS.

SIX YEARS AGO, THERE WERE MORE THAN 8000.

WE WERE OBVIOUSLY OVERSATURATED THE MARKET SEVERAL THOUSAND TIMES OVER.

WHEN YOU COMPARE US TO OTHER STATES, IT'S NOT EVEN COMPARABLE RIGHT NOW, ANDERSON SAYS 304,000 OKLAHOMANS HAVE MEDICAL MARIJUANA CARDS.

IN COMPARISON, NEARLY A MILLION FLORIDA RESIDENTS LEGALLY USE MEDICAL MARIJUANA, BUT THERE ARE ONLY 22 LEGAL GROW OPERATIONS THERE.

DIRECTOR ANDERSON SAYS HE KNOWS MEDICAL MARIJUANA HELPS SOME PEOPLE.

A LOT OF CUSTOMERS HERE IN OKLAHOMA ARE WOMEN, AND THEY USE IT FOR MENOPAUSE.

I HAVE HEARD THAT, YES.

ADRIENNE BERRY DIRECTS THE OKLAHOMA MEDICAL MARIJUANA AUTHORITY, OR OM A. SHE SAYS WHEN SHE TOOK OFFICE FIVE YEARS AGO, OM INSTITUTED WHAT THEY CALL A SEED TO SALE TRACKING SYSTEM THAT TRACKS ALL ACTIVITY IN OKLAHOMA'S MEDICAL MARIJUANA MARKET.

THAT'S BEEN A GAME CHANGER.

WITHOUT THAT, WE DIDN'T HAVE DATA.

WE DIDN'T KNOW WHEN HARVESTS WERE OCCURRING OR WHETHER PRODUCTS WERE BEING PROPERLY TESTED.

AND THEN PARTNERING WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, MAKING SURE THEY ALSO HAVE THAT DATA HAS HAS REALLY HELPED THEM WITH THEIR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS.

DISPENSARY OPERATOR ROBERT CUTHBERTSON SAYS HE'S NOT A FAN OF ALL THE NEW REGULATIONS.

SOME OF THE CHANGES ARE FOR THE GOOD, BUT A LOT OF THEM ARE JUST SEEM UNNECESSARY.

I WOULD REMIND ALL OKLAHOMANS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS AN EXECUTIVE BRANCH AGENCY, WE'RE TASKED WITH IMPLEMENTING LEGISLATION THAT'S PASSED BY THE LEGISLATURE, SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR.

AND SO EVERYTHING WE DO TRULY COMES STRAIGHT FROM THE LAW, FROM STATUTE.

SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE THING FOR ALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE REGULATED BY OMA TO REMEMBER.

YOU KNOW, THE PLANTS DON'T TAKE CHRISTMAS OFF OR THANKSGIVING OR BLACK FRIDAY, MAN.

THEY DEMAND WATER, ATTENTION AND NUTRIENTS.

AND I MET JIMMY SHANNON EIGHT YEARS AGO IN NORMAN WHEN HE OPENED ONE OF THE FIRST DISPENSARIES IN THE STATE.

WE'VE CREATED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF JOBS IN THIS STATE, AND WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO APPROACH CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM WITH A NEW SET OF EYES.

SHANNON IS VICE PRESIDENT OF EMERALD ALLEY DISPENSARY AND GROW FARM IN OKLAHOMA CITY.

WAS IT REALLY THE WILD, WILD WEST WHEN IT OPENED IN OKLAHOMA?

YES.

IT'S NOT ANYMORE.

NO, NOT AT ALL.

SINCE THE OLD WILD, WILD WEST DAYS, OKLAHOMA HAS TAKEN STEPS, LEAPS AND BOUNDS TO REGULATING AND CONTROLLING THE GROW, SALE, TRANSFER AND DELIVERY OF MARIJUANA THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

HAVE THEY GONE TOO FAR IN THAT DIRECTION?

I DO NOT THINK THAT THEY'VE GONE TOO FAR IN THAT DIRECTION.

JIMMY SHANNON AND OB GYN DIRECTOR ANDERSON SAY THEY KNOW OKLAHOMA'S MEDICAL MARIJUANA INDUSTRY HAS GOTTEN VERY COMPETITIVE.

THEY URGE OPERATORS WHO ARE DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY TO STAY IN BUSINESS.

RICH.

STEVE, THANK YOU.

OKLAHOMA CITY'S AZTEC CHARTER SCHOOL, WHICH STANDS FOR ADVANCED SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY EDUCATION CHARTER, HAS BEEN NAMED THE NATIONAL CHARTER SCHOOL OF THE YEAR BY EDUCATION INSIDER MAGAZINE.

QUITE AN ACHIEVEMENT FOR A SCHOOL THAT UNTIL RECENTLY WAS OPERATING OUT OF A SHOPPING MALL.

EDUCATION REPORTER TAELYR JACKSON JOINS US NOW WITH MORE ON THE HISTORY OF OKLAHOMA'S VERY FIRST CHARTER SCHOOL.

TAELYR RICH, THIS NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED CHARTER SCHOOL NOW ENROLLS MORE THAN 1700 STUDENTS IN PRE-K THROUGH 12TH GRADE.

AND IT ALL BEGAN 26 YEARS AGO WITH AN EDUCATOR WHO HAD A DREAM AND PLENTY OF DETERMINATION.

I DREW THIS OUT ON A NAPKIN.

FOUNDER DOCTOR FRIDA DESKIN IS TALKING ABOUT HER VISION OF THE NEW STATE OF THE ART, 157,000 SQUARE FOOT SECONDARY SCHOOL THAT RECENTLY OPENED ITS DOORS A LITTLE OVER 26 YEARS AGO WITH THE BIG ATRIUM, WITH THE MIDDLE SCHOOL ON ONE SIDE, THE HIGH SCHOOL ON THE OTHER, AND.

NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS EVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

BUT I SAVED MONEY, I RAISED MONEY, I WROTE GRANTS, AND FINALLY WE HAD ENOUGH MONEY IN EQUITY TO APPLY FOR A PRIVATE BOND.

SCHOLARS.

ARE WE EXCITED?

LAST FRIDAY, THE SCHOOL HAD A GRAND OPENING CEREMONY FOR THE NEW BUILDING.

I WAS REALLY SHOCKED, HONESTLY, REALLY EXCITED TO LIKE SEE THE NEW BUILDING BECAUSE LIKE, WE HAVE LIKE LOTS OF NEW THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE AT THE OLD BUILDING, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE WE HAVE STUDENT LOUNGES NOW AND WE HAVE LIKE, LIKE A PORCH, WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY COOL.

JUNIOR VALERIA DIAZ SAYS SHE APPRECIATES HOW SPACIOUS THE NEW BUILDING IS COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS LOCATION.

I REMEMBER THE HALLWAYS WERE REALLY SMALL AND THERE WOULD BE LIKE REALLY CROWDED AND LOTS OF STUDENTS WOULD ARRIVE LATE TO CLASS BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T FIT THROUGH HALLWAYS.

MY FAVORITE AREA HAS TO BE.

THE GRAND ATRIUM.

IT'S A GATHERING PLACE WHERE WE CAN ALL GET TOGETHER, CATCH UP, AND HAVE A PLACE TO CALL HOME.

AZTEC OPENED IN 2000 WITH ABOUT 106TH AND SEVENTH GRADERS IN SHEPHERD MALL, NOW REFERRED TO AS SHEPHERD CENTER.

BUT I ALSO KNEW THAT CASH FLOW WITH WAS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT WITH THOSE FEW.

SO THAT'S WHEN I TOOK OUT MY RETIREMENT AND MY SAVINGS AND WENT FOR IT, IF YOU WILL.

THE ISSUES WITH BEING IN A MALL IS NUMBER ONE.

IT'S NOT DESIGNED FOR LEARNING.

THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE MALL THAT.

SO YOU HAVE TO.

LOGISTICALLY, IT'S A LOGISTICAL NIGHTMARE TO MOVE STUDENTS AND CLASSES.

YOU KNOW, NO WINDOWS.

AS WE'VE SAID BEFORE, ALL THE CLASSROOMS WERE REALLY SMALL.

THE CHARTER SCHOOL EVEN HAD TO RENT OUT GYM SPACE AT A NEARBY CHURCH SO STUDENTS COULD HAVE PHYSICAL EDUCATION ADMINISTRATOR DANNY PORTER SAYS HE HOPES STUDENTS WILL GAIN A NEW SENSE OF PRIDE.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE STRUGGLED WITH WAS A SENSE OF SELF, A SENSE OF WHO WE ARE.

YOU KNOW, WE WE SEE SCHOOLS AND WE KNOW WHAT SCHOOLS ARE.

AND SCHOOLS ALSO COME WITH THIS CONNECTION.

YOU KNOW, A BUILDING IS MORE THAN JUST A BUILDING.

IT'S A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CONVENE AND PEOPLE MEET.

AND IT WAS HARD FOR US TO FIND THAT AT SHEPHERD MALL.

WE APPRECIATED THE TIME THAT WAS THERE.

BUT NOW WE HAVE A PLACE OF OUR OWN.

AND SO I THINK THAT IT WILL ESTABLISH AN IDENTITY FOR OUR SCHOLARS.

DOCTOR DESKIN, AN AWARD WINNING EDUCATOR, HAS ALWAYS HAD A PASSION FOR EDUCATION.

SHE WAS A PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER FOR 15 YEARS AND WAS A DEAN AT THE OKLAHOMA CITY UNIVERSITY.

WHILE I WAS AT OCU, I DESIGNED A FOUR WEEK PROGRAM FOR ADJUDICATED YOUTH IN OKLAHOMA COUNTY, AND I GOT A GRANT TO RUN THOSE PROGRAMS, AND EACH YEAR I WOULD SEE WHAT A DIFFERENCE IT MADE FOR THESE STUDENTS WHO WERE NOT IN SCHOOL AND SEEING THEM GET BACK IN SCHOOL.

DESKIN SAYS IT WAS DURING THAT TIME THAT SHE THOUGHT OF CREATING A CHARTER SCHOOL IN THE STATE.

ONE DAY ON MY WAY HOME, THIS LITTLE VOICE IN MY HEAD LITERALLY SAID, IF YOU ARE A REAL EDUCATOR, YOU GIVE UP THIS CUSHY JOB AND START ONE OF THOSE CHARTER SCHOOLS AND CHARTER SCHOOL LEGISLATION JUST PASSED.

I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

AT LAST WEEKS CEREMONY, IT WAS ANNOUNCED THAT AZTEC CHARTER SCHOOL WAS NAMED CHARTER SCHOOL OF THE YEAR BY EDUCATION INSIDER.

I WAS EXCITED, I KNOW THAT OUR FOUNDER AND CEO, DOCTOR DESKIN, HAS PUT SO MUCH TIME AND EFFORT INTO BUILDING THIS PLACE FOR OUR SCHOLARS.

AND SO AT FIRST I WAS SHOCKED AND I WAS SURPRISED.

AND THEN MY SECOND THOUGHT WAS, WE DESERVE IT.

AND I'M NOT SURPRISED BECAUSE WE REALLY DO A LOT OF WORK.

AZTEC FOCUSES ON FOUR CORE VALUES CONTENT, CHARACTER, COMPETENCY, AND COMMUNITY.

DESKIN AND FACULTY REFER TO THEIR STUDENTS AS SCHOLARS.

I BELIEVE THAT WORDS HAVE POWER, AND I BELIEVE IF YOU SUBLIMINALLY PUT THOSE WORDS OUT THERE, THAT THEY WILL LIVE UP TO IT.

SOPHOMORE OMAR CASTILLO SAYS.

EXPECTATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN SET FOR HIM AT AZTEC WILL HELP HIM BECOME A BETTER ADULT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

CASTILLO HOPES TO BECOME A POLICE OFFICER ONE DAY.

I'LL BE WELL PREPARED, THANKS TO AZTEC.

THEY WANT US TO BE OUTSTANDING, AND IF WE CAN DREAM IT, WE CAN ACHIEVE IT.

AZTECS IMPACT GOES BEYOND THE CLASSROOM WALLS.

MANY ALUMNI HAVE DONE WELL FOR THEMSELVES.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A STUDENT WHO'S A PROFESSOR AT HARVARD.

WE HAVE DOCTORS, WE HAVE PHYSICIAN'S ASSISTANTS, WE HAVE A PROFESSOR IN JAPAN.

SOME FORMER STUDENTS EVEN COME BACK TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL.

CHRISTIAN DELUNA IS ONE OF THEM.

HE ATTENDED AZTEC CHARTER SCHOOLS FROM SIXTH GRADE THROUGH 12, SO IT WAS NICE.

I KIND OF LIKED THE SMALLER CLASSROOM SIZES.

EVERYONE KNOWS EACH OTHER.

EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT FRIENDS, YOU KNOW EACH OTHER'S NAMES AND EVERYONE IS FRIENDLY.

THE 2013 GRADUATE NOW SERVES AS A COMMUNITY LIAISON FOR THE SCHOOL, AND THIS YEAR I'M DOING MORE WITH ENROLLMENT.

SO HELPING FAMILIES COME IN BEING THE POINT OF CONTACT IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING ENROLLMENT, I'M THERE FOR THEM.

AND JUST BEING ABLE TO HELP THOSE FAMILIES THAT I KNOW ARE INTERESTED, BUT MAY BE A LITTLE SHY BECAUSE THEY DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH ISN'T THEIR FIRST LANGUAGE.

SO BEING SOMEONE THAT THEY CAN COME TO WITH ANYTHING.

I REALLY ENJOY THAT.

AZTEC WAS SELECTED CHARTER SCHOOL OF THE YEAR IN RECOGNITION OF THE SCHOOL'S ACADEMIC EXCELLENCE AND SCHOLAR ACHIEVEMENT.

RICH.

QUITE A PLACE.

THANK YOU.

TAELYR.

THE STATE FAIR IS IN OKLAHOMA CITY AND TULSA WRAPPED UP FOR ANOTHER YEAR.

AND WHILE WE WAIT FOR THE ECONOMIC NUMBERS FROM TULSA, WE NOW HAD THEM FOR THE 11 DAY RUN AT STATE FAIR PARK IN OKLAHOMA CITY.

THAT STORY TOPS THIS WEEK'S OKLAHOMA BUSINESS REVIEW.

DESPITE SEVERAL DAYS OF TRIPLE DIGIT TEMPERATURES, THE OKLAHOMA STATE FAIR GENERATING A DIRECT IMPACT SPENDING TOTAL OF $93.43 MILLION.

THE 2026 FAIR THEME WAS MIDWAY OF THE MOTHER ROAD, AND IT DREW 825,000 VISITORS TO STATE FAIR PARK, 75% OF THEM FROM OKLAHOMA AND THE REMAINING 25% FROM OUT OF STATE.

TWO OTHER EVENTS AT THE FAIRGROUNDS IN SEPTEMBER RAISED THE ECONOMIC IMPACT FOR THE MONTH TO OVER $94 MILLION.

GROUNDBREAKING CEREMONIES IN BURNS FLAT ON TUESDAY WERE A 5000 SQUARE FOOT MISSION CONTROL CENTER AND 10,000 SQUARE FOOT HANGAR TO HOUSE THE REUSABLE SPACE PLANES BUILT AND OPERATED BY DAWN AEROSPACE.

LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR MATT PINNELL ON HAND TO CELEBRATE A PROJECT THAT HAS RECEIVED A $7.5 MILLION APPROPRIATION FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND AIMS TO MAKE FREQUENT COMMERCIAL SPACEFLIGHT A REALITY IN FAR WESTERN OKLAHOMA.

AND THEY WERE CUTTING THE RIBBON ON THE NEWLY RENOVATED JIM THORPE MEMORIAL OFFICE BUILDING IN OKLAHOMA CITY ON WEDNESDAY.

LOCATED ON THE STATE CAPITOL GROUNDS, THE BUILDING'S PRIMARY TENANTS INCLUDE THE OKLAHOMA CORPORATION COMMISSION, THE STATE ELECTION BOARD AND THE OKLAHOMA ARTS COUNCIL AND OTHERS.

BUILT IN 1938, THE THORPE BUILDING HAS UNDERGONE A THREE YEAR, $70 MILLION INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR RENOVATION.

THE OKLAHOMA CITY MUSEUM OF ART HAS ANNOUNCED AN INTERIM LEADERSHIP TEAM UNTIL A NEW CEO AND PRESIDENT IS NAMED.

CURRENT SUPERVISORS BYRON CHAMBERS, DIRECTOR OF EDUCATION AND VISITOR EXPERIENCE, AND MOREY FORD, DIRECTOR OF COLLECTIONS AND EXHIBITIONS, WILL SERVE AS CO-INTERIM DIRECTORS UNTIL A REPLACEMENT FOR THE DEPARTED MICHAEL ANDERSON IS HIRED.

A 2027 STUDY BY WALLETHUB CONCLUDES THAT THE UNIVERSITY OF TULSA RANKS AS OKLAHOMA'S BEST UNIVERSITY OR COLLEGE.

THAT IS BASED ON SEVERAL METRICS, INCLUDING COST, STUDENT TEACHER RATIO, GRADUATION RATES, AND POST ATTENDANCE SALARY.

TO YOU COMES OUT ON TOP WITH OKLAHOMA CITY UNIVERSITY, THE UNIVERSITY OF SCIENCE AND ARTS OF OKLAHOMA AND OU AND OSU ROUNDING OUT THE TOP FIVE.

THIS IS THE OKLAHOMA BUSINESS REVIEW.

WELL, ACCORDING TO THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER, 87% OF AMERICAN ADULTS ARE IN FAVOR OF TERM LIMITS.

FOR FEDERAL LEGISLATORS, 87%.

SO WHY NO TERM LIMITS IN D.C.

THAT'S THE TOPIC OF THIS WEEK'S IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION WITH THE NEWEST MEMBER OF OUR OETA NEWS TEAM, SUNNY LEE.

SUNNY.

THANK YOU.

RICH.

WELL, THERE IS RENEWED INTEREST IN ADDING A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT MAKING FEDERAL TERM LIMITS MANDATORY.

OUR GUESTS THIS WEEK ARE FORMER STATE REPRESENTATIVE MARK MCBRIDE, WHO SERVED A FULL 12 YEARS IN THE HOUSE.

OU POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR DOCTOR MELODY ROWLETT AND SCOTT TILLMAN FROM THE BIPARTISAN ORGANIZATION U.S.

TERM LIMITS THAT ENCOURAGES LAWMAKERS TO SIGN A PLEDGE STATING THEY WILL AGREE TO SUPPORT A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT MAKING FEDERAL TERM LIMITS MANDATORY.

WELCOME, ALL OF YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TODAY.

OKAY, SO BEFORE WE DIVE INTO THIS VERY INTERESTING DISCUSSION, LET'S FIRST ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF WHAT ARE TERM LIMITS.

OKAY.

I KNOW IT SEEMS OBVIOUS TO THE REST OF US, BUT THE LAWS ARE DIFFERENT IN MANY STATES.

OF COURSE, OKLAHOMA HAS STATE TERM LIMITS.

AND SO I WILL ADDRESS THIS QUESTION TO DOCTOR ROWLETT TO START WITH, TO KIND OF EXPLAIN TO US WHAT TERM LIMITS ACTUALLY ARE.

OKAY.

SO TERM LIMITS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN TERM LIMITED FOR MANY YEARS.

WE HAVE A TERM LIMIT THERE THAT ENSURES THAT NO PRESIDENT CAN SERVE FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS.

YOU KNOW, IF, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY TAKE OVER AT THE END AS VICE PRESIDENT, THEY COULD BE ELECTED TWICE MORE.

RIGHT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXPANSION IN THE STATES.

MANY STATE LEGISLATORS, LEGISLATURES, AS YOU SAID, HAVE TERM LIMITS ON THEIR LEGISLATORS.

OKLAHOMA IS ONE OF THE STRICTEST, ACTUALLY, IN TERMS OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT SERVED.

IT'S A TOTAL OF 12 YEARS.

THAT'S THE MAXIMUM THEY CAN SERVE.

BUT IT'S NOT 12 YEARS IN THE HOUSE AND 12 YEARS IN THE SENATE.

IT'S 12 YEARS, A LOT STRICTER THAN MOST STATES HAVE.

AND SO BUT IT VARIES.

IT YOU KNOW, HOW MANY TERMS CAN YOU SERVE IN THE LEGISLATURE IN PARTICULAR?

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY CAN GO ON AND CAN'T GO ON AND SERVE AS AN ATTORNEY GENERAL OR AS A GOVERNOR.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THE REASON THAT THIS ISSUE IS COMING UP AGAIN, LET'S DISCUSS SOME CURRENT POLITICAL FIGURES.

MITCH MCCONNELL HAS HAD HEALTH ISSUES.

OF COURSE, NANCY PELOSI, CHUCK GRASSLEY HAS BEEN IN FOR YEARS AND YEARS.

HE'S INTO HIS 90S, I BELIEVE EVEN PRESIDENT BIDEN AND PRESIDENT TRUMP, THEY'RE BOTH THEY'RE AGING SO EFFECTIVELY.

IT'S POLARIZING BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE SUPPORTERS WHO LOVE THEM, BUT THEN YOU HAVE OTHERS WHO SAY, IT'S TIME FOR A TURNOVER.

IT'S TIME TO, TO, TO, TO MOVE ON.

SO SHOULD THERE BE SOME SORT OF AN AGE GUARDRAIL WHERE IF YOU'RE UNABLE TO CONTINUE WITH THE RIGORS OF THE JOB, THAT YOU MUST STEP DOWN?

SHOULD THERE BE AN AGE CAP WHERE THEY SAY, HEY, AT AGE 80, YOU ARE DONE NO MATTER WHAT COGNITIVE TESTS?

OR DO WE JUST SAY YEARS OF SERVICE YEARS IN OFFICE?

SO I'M GOING TO LET ALL THREE OF YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

I'M GOING TO START WITH YOU, MELODIE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

WELL, AGE LIMITS ARE NOT THE SAME AS TERM LIMITS.

AND SO TO SAY, HEY, AFTER THE AGE OF 75, YOU CAN'T RUN FOR OFFICE.

RIGHT?

THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING.

AND THERE IS ACTUALLY A LOT OF SCIENCE ON THE DECLINE OF THE BRAIN AT CERTAIN PERIODS.

AND IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT IN PARTICULAR, AROUND AGE 78, 79, THE DECLINE BECOMES VERY, VERY QUICK.

THERE'S RAPID AGING.

AND SO YOU CAN EVEN SEE THIS DURING PRESIDENT BIDEN'S TERM.

HE WAS VERY, VERY SHARP ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL IN HIS FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS OF OFFICE.

BUT THE DECLINE IN TERMS OF AGING IS RAPID AT THAT POINT.

SO AFTER YOU HIT 81, 82, IT'S JUST VERY QUICK.

ALL RIGHT.

NOW, MARK, THIS THIS QUESTION MAY RING DIFFERENTLY FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU WERE TERM LIMITED AFTER YOUR 12 YEARS.

IT WAS ONE OF THOSE WAS 100% FOR TERM LIMITS.

I VOTED FOR IT IN THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA FOR FOR STATE LEGISLATORS.

TODAY, I'VE GOT A DIFFERENT OPINION ABOUT THAT.

NOT FOR MYSELF TO RUN MORE.

I'M DONE, I WAS DONE.

I HAVE NO DESIRE TO RUN FOR ANYTHING ELSE.

BUT 12 YEARS IS TOO SHORT.

YOU LOSE ALL OF YOUR INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE.

AND I SAW THAT IN IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE SENATE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS LIKE WE WERE REGURGITATING STUFF.

YOU KNOW, YOU JUST GET LIKE IN YOUR LAST SIX YEARS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ON, YOU'RE ON SPOT, YOU'RE ON POINT AND YOU'RE DOING GOOD.

AND THEN BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, YOU'RE GONE.

NOW, I DO BELIEVE IN TERM LIMITS.

SO BUT 12 YEARS IS TOO QUICK.

I THINK TERM LIMITS IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE SHOULD BE MORE LIKE 20.

AND I DO AGREE ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL THAT THAT WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING MAYBE AGE LIMIT AN AGE CAP, TERM LIMITS.

I'M NOT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT SHOULD BE, BUT BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE.

WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, SCOTT, I'M GOING TO ADDRESS THIS TO YOU TO TELL ME YOUR THOUGHTS ON, YOU KNOW, IS THIS SOMETHING WHERE WE NEED TO PUT AN AGE CAP OR A TERM LIMIT?

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS, PEOPLE'S FRUSTRATIONS WHEN YOU WHEN YOU'RE ASKING WHY VOTER SUPPORT.

BECAUSE THEY OVERWHELMINGLY DO, BUT THEY OVERWHELMINGLY ALSO REELECT THEIR OWN INCUMBENT LEGISLATORS.

THEIR FRUSTRATION IS THAT THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE A VOICE IN THE SYSTEM, AND THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY REALLY GET AN HONEST CHOICE.

SO WE KNOW THAT INCUMBENT ADVANTAGE IS HUGE.

AND JUST THE FACT THAT WE WOULD HAVE A REGULARLY SCHEDULED OPEN SEAT ON A PREDICTABLE BASIS IS THE REASON WHY MOST PEOPLE WOULD SUPPORT IT.

IT MAKES FOR A FAIRER ELECTION.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHY PEOPLE ARE STAYING AS LONG AS THEY ARE.

SO WHY?

I MEAN, MOST 80 SOMETHINGS THAT I KNOW WOULD RATHER BE SPENDING TIME WITH THEIR FAMILY.

IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH POWER CONCENTRATED IN THESE OFFICES AND IN THE STAFF OF THESE OFFICES.

YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT TO ABANDON THEIR STAFF, AND NOW THEIR STAFF HAVE TO BE AT A DIFFERENT POINT IN THEIR CAREER.

THEY DON'T WANT TO ABANDON THE POWER THAT THEY'VE THAT THEY'VE GATHERED, WHICH VOTERS SEE AS A PROBLEM.

BUT OF COURSE, THE VOTERS AREN'T THERE SPEAKING IN THEIR EAR EVERY DAY LIKE THE STAFF ARE.

SO TERM LIMITS, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT GET A REALLY SHARP 75 YEAR OLD WHO REALLY RESONATES WITH PEOPLE.

AND IF YOU PUT A TERM LIMIT ON IT, HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE OUT THERE.

HE OR SHE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, REMAKING THEIR CASE MUCH MORE OFTEN THAN SOMEBODY WHO'S INCUMBENT AND HAS BEEN IN THAT SEAT FOR 40 YEARS AND IS NOW, YOU KNOW, 75, 80 YEARS OLD AS AS A INCUMBENT.

SO I THINK TERM LIMITS WILL SOLVE THE SAME ISSUE AND TAKE CARE OF IT IN A CLEANER WAY THAN HAVING SOME SORT OF A COGNITIVE TEST WHERE YOU GET SUBJECTIVE, YOU KNOW, RESPONSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT INCLUDED IN IT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

SO TO KEEP FRESH PERSPECTIVES, NEW EVOLVING ISSUES, TECH, I KNOW MY PARENTS ARE BOTH IN THEIR EARLY 80S AND I CALL MYSELF TECH SUPPORT.

SO I'LL GET THOSE PHONE CALLS FROM THEM.

LIKE I PUT SOMETHING ON FACEBOOK AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET RID OF IT.

A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY TERM LIMITS CAN KIND OF ELIMINATE THAT.

IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING AN AGE CAP OR COGNITIVE TEST.

I WANT TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS.

WHAT ARE OKLAHOMA'S LAWMAKERS SAYING?

HAVE HAVE OKLAHOMA'S LAWMAKERS ACTUALLY COME OUT IN OPPOSITION OR IN SUPPORT?

DO YOU KNOW I'M GOING TO START WITH YOU, DOCTOR ROWLETT, DO YOU KNOW.

ABSOLUTELY.

OKLAHOMA LAWMAKERS WHO WERE UNDER THE TERM LIMITED REGIME ARE ABSOLUTELY AGAINST IT, AND THEY'RE AGAINST IT BECAUSE OF EXACTLY WHAT REPRESENTATIVE MCBRIDE SAID.

THERE IS NO INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY IN THE OKLAHOMA STATE LEGISLATURE.

THERE'S NONE.

AND SO THEY CANNOT BE EFFECTIVE.

WHENEVER I WAS INTERVIEWING LEGISLATURES IN 2010, THOSE WHO HAD BEEN IN THERE AT THAT POINT, THEY SAID TO ME EXACTLY OPPOSITE THINGS OF WHAT THEY HAD SAID TO ME IN 2000.

SO IN 2000, WHENEVER I ASKED THEM, YOU KNOW, WHO DO YOU LOOK FOR?

AND WHO DO YOU LOOK TO IN TERMS OF MAKING DECISIONS ON LEGISLATION?

THEY USED TO SAY THEIR CONSTITUENTS, THEY COULD RELY ON THEIR OWN JUDGMENT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE PARTY TO RIGHT.

IN 2010, THEY SAID PARTY OR INTEREST GROUPS, THEY DID NOT CARE ABOUT CONSTITUENTS BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO REACH THEM.

AND THEY COULDN'T RELY ON THEIR OWN KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

NOW, ONCE YOU'VE BEEN IN FOR EIGHT YEARS, TEN YEARS, SURE, YOU CAN DO THAT.

BUT YOU KNOW, THESE FRESHMAN LEGISLATORS OR EVEN SOPHOMORE LEGISLATORS JUST DON'T HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE AND THEY HAVE NO ONE TO TEACH THEM AND MENTOR THEM IN THE WAY THAT THEY NEED TO BE MENTORED.

DO YOU FIND THAT WHEN THERE'S NOBODY MENTORING THEM, THAT THEY'RE THEN ABLE TO REACH OUT TO LOBBYISTS OR POLITICAL INTEREST GROUPS WHO CAN SOMETIMES PUSH THE NEEDLE MOST?

THE POWER LAYS IN THE HANDS OF AGENCY HEADS AND LOBBYISTS BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN THERE 30 YEARS.

BUT I WENT TO A LOT OF THEM FOR INFORMATION BECAUSE I KNEW THEY KNEW.

SOME OF THEM ARE FORMER LEGISLATORS.

THEY WENT OUT OF THE LEGISLATURE AND WENT INTO THAT.

WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COGNITIVE.

MY FATHER IS 86 YEARS OLD.

I KNOW WHEN HE WAS 80, HE HAD TOLD ME ONE TIME, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, HE SAID, I'M PRETTY SHARP AND HE'S STILL SHARP AT 86.

BUT HE SAID, I DON'T HAVE IT LIKE I USED TO HAVE.

I JUST HE SAID, I DON'T WANT TO DO THINGS BUSINESS WISE LIKE I ONCE DID.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, MR.

TILLMAN, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, TELL ME ABOUT YOUR ORGANIZATION A LITTLE BIT AND HOW YOU INTEND ON ACHIEVING THE GOAL OF INSTITUTING FEDERAL TERM LIMITS.

SO CONGRESS HAS THE SAME PERSPECTIVE THAT MANY STATE LEGISLATORS DO.

THEY YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT TERM LIMITS ON THEMSELVES.

AND IT'S A SWEET, CUSHY JOB.

YOU KNOW, YOU GET TO GO AND HAVE A LOT OF ATTENTION ON YOU.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S FANCY TRIPS INVOLVED AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO WHISPER IN YOUR EAR AND YOUR SPOUSE OR YOUR KIDS OR YOUR COUSIN OR YOUR STAFF GET HIRED FOR THESE HIGH DOLLAR JOBS, FOR DIFFERENT LOBBYING FIRMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT THEMSELVES.

SO LIKE MOST CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS, YOU GOT TO BRING LEVERAGE TO CONGRESS.

IN THE EARLY 90S, THERE WAS 20 SOME STATES WHO, THROUGH THE INITIATIVE PROCESS, OKLAHOMA, HAS THE INITIATIVE PROCESS, BUT NOT EVERY STATE HAS THAT.

THEY PUT IT ON THE BALLOT.

DO WE WANT TO TERM LIMIT OUR CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION IN OKLAHOMA AS WELL?

AS YOU KNOW, THE OTHER STATES THAT HAD THE ABILITY CHOSE TO DO THAT.

THEN THERE WAS A SUPREME COURT DECISION IN 1995, US TERM LIMITS VERSUS THORNTON.

AND THE SUPREME COURT SAID, THIS HAS TO COME THROUGH A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.

YOU CAN'T BRING IT STATE BY STATE, WHICH HAD BEEN THE INTENT ALL ALONG, BECAUSE IF YOU TERM LIMIT ENOUGH OF THEM, THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE FOR IT TO APPLY EQUALLY ACROSS THE BOARD FROM CONGRESS.

SO NOW WHAT WE WORK ON IS WE WORK ON ARTICLE FIVE RESOLUTIONS.

AND THAT IS THE SECOND WAY THAT THERE IS TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION.

AND THAT IS TO STATES ARE ALLOWED TO PASS IT.

AND IF IT GETS TO 34 STATES, THERE WOULD BE A CONVENTION.

BUT WE NEVER GET TO A CONVENTION.

THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE A CONVENTION, BECAUSE ANYTIME AN IDEA GETS ENOUGH MOMENTUM, CONGRESS SAYS, WELL, THIS IS A REALLY GREAT IDEA, AND WE THINK IT'S TOO IMPORTANT FOR THE STATES TO DECIDE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO JUMP IN AND DO IT.

BUT WITH AN ISSUE LIKE THIS, YOU'VE GOT TO PUSH IT UP THERE ABOUT 3032 RESOLUTIONS BEFORE THEY'RE GOING TO ACT.

AND WE SAW THIS WITH THE DIRECT ELECTION OF SENATORS, THE 17TH AMENDMENT.

SO OUR PLAN IS TO BRING RESOLUTIONS STATE BY STATE UNTIL WE GET ENOUGH LEVERAGE ON CONGRESS, WHERE THEY SAY WE DO, WE WANT A BUNCH OF STATE LEGISLATORS WHO ALL WANT TO BE CONGRESSMEN, TELLING US HOW LONG OUR TERMS ARE GOING TO BE AND WHEN THIS WILL START, OR DO WE WANT TO JUMP OUT IN FRONT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE'LL GRANDFATHER OURSELVES AND LET OURSELVES STAY IN OFFICE?

BUT YES, WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE'RE PASSING RESOLUTIONS STATE BY STATE, AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE 14, EIGHT OF THOSE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.

SO THE MOMENTUM IS REALLY BUILDING.

OKAY.

I'M GLAD YOU ADDRESSED THAT, BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE FACT THAT SINCE THEY WOULD BE EFFECTIVELY VOTING THEMSELVES OUT OF OFFICE, HOW LIKELY IS ALL THAT TO PASS?

BUT LET ME ASK YOU, SCOTT, WHILE I HAVE YOU HERE, HOW DOES THE REST OF THE UNITED STATES FEEL ABOUT THIS?

I MEAN, IT'S EASY FOR US TO SIT HERE AND KIND OF ARMCHAIR QUARTERBACK HOW OUR THOUGHTS ARE.

BUT WHAT DOES WHAT DOES THE MAJORITY OF THE US PUBLIC SAY?

SO THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE IT'S GOT BROAD SUPPORT.

SO YOU LOOK AT DEMOCRATS, YOU LOOK AT INDEPENDENTS, YOU LOOK AT REPUBLICANS ALL OVER 80% SUPPORT.

YOU LOOK AT YOUNG PEOPLE, YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE MIDDLE GROUPS, YOU LOOK AT THE OLDER PEOPLE ALL SUPPORT OVER 80%.

YOU, YOU KNOW, MEN, WOMEN, OTHER DEMOGRAPHICS.

IT'S ALL 80 PLUS PERCENT SUPPORT.

AND THAT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE 8012.

IT'S NOT LIKE 8020.

IT'S LIKE 8012 WIDE SUPPORT ALL DEMOGRAPHICS.

WHEN YOU WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW LONG PEOPLE THINK IT SHOULD BE, YOU GET A LITTLE BIT OF VARIANCE.

BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE LINE UP THAT THEY THINK SIX YEARS IN THE HOUSE, 12 YEARS IN THE SENATE IS THE RIGHT, THE RIGHT FIT FOR THAT.

SO IT'S IT'S A SITUATION WHERE THE PUBLIC ENTIRELY AGREES THE OPPOSITION COMES FROM LEGISLATORS, LOBBYISTS, AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, GETTING GETTING MONEY AND AND HAVE ATTACHMENT AND POWER IN THE CURRENT SYSTEM.

I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THE FINAL QUESTION.

YOU WERE TERM LIMITED.

IF YOU COULD GO BACK AND SERVE AN EXTRA.

I HAVE NO DESIRE TO DO THAT OR RUN FOR STATE OR FEDERAL LEVEL.

I THINK IT'S INTERESTING, HE SAID.

I KNOW SO MANY LEGISLATORS ARE WAITING FOR THE SOME CONGRESSMAN OR SENATOR TO DIE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY WANT TO RUN FOR THEIR OFFICE.

BUT AND THAT WAS A JOKE.

BUT I DO AGREE.

BUT I YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE A GOOD CONVERSATION.

THE THE TERM TIME.

THAT'S A KEY PIECE FOR ME.

HOW MANY YEARS BECAUSE OF THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE PIECE, RIGHT.

LET EACH ONE OF YOU HAVE A FINAL 30S OR SO TO KIND OF GIVE YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MOVE FORWARD TERM LIMITS, MAKE LEGISLATURES LESS REPRESENTATIVE.

THEY DO NOT THEY'RE NOT AS DIVERSE.

THEY ACTUALLY KEEP LEGISLATORS FROM DOING WHAT THE CONSTITUENTS WANT.

BECAUSE OF TERM LIMITS, STATE LEGISLATURES HAVE BECOME MORE POLARIZED.

THEY'RE LESS LIKELY TO LISTEN TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS, AND THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO LISTEN TO LOBBYISTS, THE PEOPLE WHO WIN, IF THERE ARE TERM LIMITS, ARE ACTUALLY SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS AND MORE PARTIZAN POLITICS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THEY LOSE.

AGAIN, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO AGE LIMITS.

I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA, BUT TERM LIMITS IS A DIFFERENT THING.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

I DO AGREE WITH HER.

I AGREE WITH HIM A LITTLE BIT.

BUT I DO THINK WHEN WE'VE GOT CHUCK GRASSLEY AND WE'VE GOT NANCY PELOSI, WE'VE GOT SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE WELL BEYOND THEIR MINDS MAY BE SHARP AND THEY MAY BE SHARP UNTIL THEY'RE 100.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S TIME.

ALL RIGHT.

AND SCOTT, YOUR FINAL THOUGHTS.

CITIZENS WANT TERM LIMITS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHO THE OPPOSITION GROUPS ARE, IT'S ALL THE LOBBYISTS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT STATE INITIATIVES AROUND THE COUNTRY WHERE TERM LIMITS ARE ON THE BALLOT, IT THE OPPOSITION FUNDING IS ALWAYS LOBBYIST GROUPS, AND IT'S EASY TO SEE WHY THAT IS.

LOBBYISTS VALUE IS ENTIRELY BASED ON THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT THEY HAVE WITH, YOU KNOW, EXISTING LEGISLATORS.

AND IF YOU'RE ROTATING SOMEBODY NEW INTO THAT JOB EVERY SIX YEARS, EVERY 12 YEARS, THEN IT MAKES HARDER.

IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR THOSE LOBBYISTS TO MAINTAIN THOSE HOOKS.

AND YES, YOU MAY HAVE LESS INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT DC, THEY HAVE MORE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE THEY DO TODAY THAN THEY EVER HAVE AT ANY POINT IN HISTORY.

AND WHAT ARE THEY USING IT FOR?

THEY'RE USING IT TO LINE THEIR POCKETS.

THEY'RE USING IT TO, YOU KNOW, PUSH OFF RESPONSIBILITY TO THE EXECUTIVE SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER FOR THINGS.

THEY'RE USING IT TO, YOU KNOW, RUN UP THE DEBT JUST BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE THEY'RE SAFE IN THEIR SEATS.

VOTERS WANT TERM LIMITS FOR A REASON.

THEY FEEL DETACHED FROM THEIR THEIR LEGISLATORS.

WE KNOW THAT FROM STUDIES THAT WHEN YOU HAVE TERM LIMITS, IT INCREASES VOTER PARTICIPATION.

YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE OUT ON THE GROUND, KNOCKING DOORS, TALKING TO CONSTITUENTS, GETTING THEM ELECTED, AND ALL KINDS OF UPSIDE LOBBYISTS HATE THEM.

THAT'S A GOOD ENOUGH REASON FOR ME.

IT'S A GOOD ENOUGH REASON FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE WE HAVE IS BAD AND IT'S BEING ABUSED.

ALL RIGHT.

WOW.

INTERESTING RANGE OF OPINIONS THIS MORNING.

THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR COMING IN.

THANK YOU SONNY.

THAT WAS A REALLY INTERESTING CONVERSATION.

IN THIS WEEK'S NATIONAL VIEW SEGMENT, WE'RE GOING TO HOP IN THE WAYBACK MACHINE TO A LONG FORGOTTEN TIME WHEN PEOPLE ACTUALLY TOOK PICTURES ON FILM, WHICH THEY THEN HAD TO TAKE TO A STORE WHERE THE FILM WAS DEVELOPED INTO PHOTOS.

IT REALLY HAPPENED BACK IN THE DARK ROOM DAYS OF YORE.

THAT STORY COURTESY OF OUR FRIENDS AT KPBS IN SAN DIEGO FILM HAS TO GET PREPPED ONTO A LEADER CARD.

ANDREW GALVAN REMOVES THE END OF A FILM STRIP FROM THE CANISTER, THE SMALL ORANGE CYLINDER.

IT'S A QUICK PRACTICE MOTION.

LET'S SEE IF I CAN DO THIS ON THE FIRST TRY.

YEP.

GALVAN IS ONE OF THE CO-OWNERS OF.

I'M STILL DEVELOPING.

WE'RE IN THE BACK OF THE SHOP WHERE THEY PROCESS THE FILM, TURNING THE PLASTICKY, DARK BROWN STRIPS INTO VIBRANT PICTURES.

GALVAN SAYS THEY'RE STILL GETTING USED TO HAVING SO MUCH ROOM.

THE LAST SHOP, THERE WAS JUST A LITTLE SLIVER OF LIKE, SPACE FROM THE WALL TO MAYBE LIKE RIGHT HERE FROM THE TRIPOD.

THAT'S WHERE WE HAD TO DO ALL OF THIS IN THE PREVIOUS SHOT.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE CREW HAD TO SACRIFICE A LITTLE BIT OF PERSONAL SPACE.

AND WE WERE ELBOW TO ELBOW.

THE SHOPS NEW BUILDING IS ON THIRD AVENUE IN CHULA VISTA.

IT FEATURES A GARAGE DOOR THAT FOLDS UP TO REVEAL A GALLERY AND PHOTO BOOTH.

THE BACK OF THE STORE IS PACKED WITH FILM ORDERS AND CAMERAS FOR SALE ON WEEKDAYS.

A POP UP CAFE CART SERVES FILIPINO INSPIRED LATTES.

JANESSA MARQUEZ IS THE SHOP'S OTHER CO-FOUNDER.

SHE SAYS THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN REALLY WELCOMING SO FAR, EVEN JUST LIKE EMPLOYEES OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE COFFEE SHOPS, THEY WOULD JUST COME IN AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WE'RE SO EXCITED THAT YOU GUYS ARE HERE.

WE USED TO GO TO NATIONAL CITY.

NOW WE CAN JUST WALK HERE.

THE ORIGINS OF THE SHOP DATE BACK ALMOST SIX YEARS.

AT THE TIME, GALVAN HAD WORKED IN MUSIC PRODUCTION FOR ALMOST A DECADE.

MARQUEZ HAD BEEN WORKING MOSTLY CALL CENTER JOBS.

BOTH OF THEM HAD BEEN MAKING PICTURES FOR A LONG TIME.

YEAH.

WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED DATING, THEY WOULD GO FOR WALKS WITH THEIR CAMERAS AT NIGHT.

A LOT OF WHAT THIS IS, IS REALLY THE LOVE THAT WE HAVE OF A COMMON HOBBY THAT WE SHARED TOGETHER THAT REALLY HELPED US LIKE STRENGTHEN OUR RELATIONSHIP AND JUST HELPED US KIND OF JUST EXPLORE MORE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

IN 2021, AS THE PANDEMIC LOCKDOWNS EASED UP, MARQUEZ AND GALVAN BEGAN HOSTING MEETUPS FOR PHOTOGRAPHERS.

FRIENDS STARTED ASKING THEM TO DEVELOP THEIR FILM.

IN 2024, THEY OPENED UP A SHOP IN NATIONAL CITY.

IN THE YEARS SINCE, I'M STILL DEVELOPING HAS GROWN INTO MORE THAN JUST A FILM LAB.

IT'S BECOME A HUB FOR HOBBYISTS AND PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHERS.

IN SAN DIEGO, IT'S MORE LIKE A LIKE A GATHERING IN A WAY.

CHECKER SARDINA IS A PROFESSIONAL FILM PHOTOGRAPHER AND DJ.

SHE'S A REGULAR CUSTOMER OF THE SHOP, BUT SAYS SHE'S NOT SURE SHE WOULD DESCRIBE HERSELF THAT WAY.

I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M JUST DROPPING OFF FILM.

I'M ALSO JUST LIKE MEETING OTHER ARTISTS AND BEING ABLE TO BE IN COMMUNITY WITH THAT, OR HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE ARE SHOOTING AND WHAT THEY'RE UP TO, WHAT'S INSPIRING THEM.

THE LAB HOSTS EXHIBITIONS AND GROUP WALKS WITH PHOTOGRAPHERS, LATE NIGHT DJ SETS AND HOLIDAY PARTIES.

EARLIER THIS YEAR, IT WON THE TITLE OF BEST CAMERA STORE IN SAN DIEGO MAGAZINE'S READER AWARDS.

THAT GROWTH COMES AS PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD HAVE BEEN RECONNECTING WITH THE ART OF FILM PHOTOGRAPHY HERE IN SAN DIEGO.

OTHER FILM LABS SAY THEY'VE SEEN A HUGE SURGE IN BUSINESS.

I THINK IT'S REALLY INSPIRING SEEING OTHER LABS THAT HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR LIKE 50 PLUS YEARS, AND I REALLY WANT THAT FOR US, TOO.

FOR GALVAN AND MARQUEZ, THOUGH, THAT GROWING DEMAND WASN'T EASY TO HANDLE AT THEIR TINY NATIONAL CITY SHOP.

NOW, MARQUEZ SAYS THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO BRINGING MORE OF THEIR WALKS AND GALLERIES TO THIRD AVENUE.

GALVAN HAS BEEN ENJOYING THE NEW SPACE THE ELBOW ROOM, THE WIDE OPEN FLOOR PLAN, THE BIG GARAGE DOORS.

BUT HE SAYS IT'S ALSO COMFORTABLE BECAUSE HE GREW UP CLOSE TO HERE IN OTAY MESA.

THIS WAS ALL MY NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD GO TO QUINCEANERAS THROUGHOUT THESE HALLS, THE FUDDRUCKERS, YOU KNOW, LA BELLA'S LIKE, OH, THIS IS ALL JUST MY BACKYARD.

IN SOME WAYS, GALVAN SAYS THE MOVE FEELS LIKE COMING BACK TO THE BEGINNING, TO A PLACE THEY CAN SEE THEMSELVES BEING FOR A LONG TIME.

COREY SUZUKI, KPBS NEWS.

ON THE NEXT EDITION OF THE OKLAHOMA NEWS REPORT.

TWO LITTLE RAIN NOW TO MUCH RAIN.

AND THAT COMBINATION IS DECIMATED.

THIS YEAR'S COTTON CROP.

STEVE SHAW VISITS WITH HARD HIT FARMERS FRIDAY AT SEVEN.

AND WE'LL SAY SO LONG FOR NOW WITH A LOOK AT THUNDERBIRD LAKE IN THE FALL PUT TOGETHER FOR US BY OETA LEVI WILKERSON.

FOR ALL OF US WHO PLAY A ROLE IN PUTTING THIS NEWSCAST ON THE AIR EACH WEEK, I'M RICH LENZ.

HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.

WE ARE ALWAYS.

THINK ABOUT.

ALWAYS THINK ABOUT.

I I. WE ARE ALWAYS PLAYING CATCH, RIGHT?

ALWAYS THINK ABOUT RIGHT.

I I I. NOW THE LAST.

BEFORE I. LIGHTING UP THE SKY.

I PASSED.

FROM PRISTINE LAKES TO PUBLIC LANDS.

ADVENTURE IS RIGHT IN YOUR BACKYARD.

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